Could the House Vote on the Smoking Ban Tonight?

27 05 2008

I’ve got House TV on in the background and at 7:45 PM, they’re still in session.   I’ve heard from friends in the media that phone calls to both caucuses and the Clerk have had some wierd answers.  The Democrats caucused for quite a while late this afternoon and as of this writing, the House “At Ease At The Call Of The Chair.”   I’ll keep the video feed up while I’m watching TV tonight to see if anything happens. 

8:07 PM – The House has been called back to order.

8:20 PM – I’ve been told by that same friend that the House has “a lot of business” to deal with and they are planning on staying late into the night.  Still wouldn’t answer whether HB 4163 would be called tonight or not.

8:29 PM – In another surprise move, the House in now voting on SB 776 which is the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, so it looks like they really are expecting a long night.

10:54 – They are STILL in session.  They just announced there will be no further voting tonight, but the House will be back in session tomorrow (Wednesday) morning at 10 AM instead of their usual 1:30 PM start time.





Smoking Ban Being Held Up

25 05 2008

Well, just like I predicted, the smoking ban is being held up in the house because the Senate version makes no exceptions for casino’s or cigar shops.  Cigar shops I’m on board with, but not enough to hold it up.  Casino’s shouldn’t be protected just because lawmakers are afraid the Detroit casino’s will be hurt.

The Lansing State-Jounral had an article yesterday that desciribes Speak of the House Leader Andy Dillon as sympathetic to the casino’s.  Dillon plans to call a vote on the ban, but he plans to add the exemptions back into the bill which means it would have to go back to the Senate for another vote

“We’ll see if the Senate would like to negotiate,” Dillon spokesman Greg Bird said.

The approach is not sitting well with Senate Majority Leader Mike Bishop, R-Rochester. “If the people of Michigan want a ban on smoking, it needs to be across the board,” Bishop spokesman Matt Marsden said.

I’m totally in agreement with Bishop’s camp here.  Call the freakin bill as is.  Give it a year and see just how it works.  You can’t pick and chose which businesses are exempt.  If you’re going to exempt casinos, then you really should exempt taverns (bars that don’t serve food).  I mean, they’re both adult oriented businesses, right? 

This is stupid.  Mr. Dillon, call the bill as is and let the legislature decide.





Bottle Return Expansion

20 05 2008

One of the new things I had to learn upon moving to Michigan is saving cans.  It’s one of those things I’m kind of shocked that every state doesn’t do, but it took me a while to get used to it.  Now, I have a garbage bag hanging in my closet and everytime I finish a Pepsi, the can goes in that garbage….not the regular one.

I was more than a little surprised that the bottle return includes pop and beer, but not bottled water.  For a while, my girlfriend and I used to go through at least a case a week.  We finally realized all the waste and bought a Brita Water Pitcher.  That cut down drastically on all the waste we contributing. 

I came across a blurb in a newspaper a few weeks ago about HB 6000 which will ammend the current bottle return law to include bottled water. I contacted the bill’s sponsor Rep. Mark Meadows of East Lansing to see why change now. 

…the buying public’s taste has changed from carbonated beverages to bottled water. We are now finding increased litter from the latter on roadsides etc. We need to develop a system to recycle/reuse water bottles. That is why I introduced the bill.

I think this is a great idea.  There’s criticism right now because the retail industry feels like they are becoming Michigan’s trash collectors.  I don’t buy that at all.  We all need to take responsibility.  If the citizens of Michigan are willing to collect trash in their home in order to recycle then the stores should take the responsibility to recycle.  It’s win-win for everyone.  I don’t see a loser here.





Tuesday Smoking Ban Update

20 05 2008

Well, it’s Tuesday and the House is back in session.  HB 4163 is on the calendar, but as a commentor pointed out over the weekend, it’s not likely to be called.  The sticking point?  Casinos.  The Senate version did not make an exception for casinos.  The House version did.  The House now has to pass the Senate’s version and from all accounts I’ve seen, that’s not probable right now.  The legislators are worried that Indian casinos woudn’t enforce the ban and being soverign grounds, Michigan laws do not affect them.  Everyone’s worried about the Detroit casinos.  It’s definately an economic concern, but, in my opinion, not enough of one to delay a smoking ban. 

The thing I keep reading over and over and even in the comment section of this blog is how can you ban something that is legal.  You ever hear of dry counties or adult use bans?  The Detroit Free Press had an editorial this morning that compares the smoking ban to another law that was passed in the interest of public safety.

This would hardly be the first government action taken in the name of public health and safety. Did you buckle up today?

And for those who say that bar, restaurant or casino employees who worry about secondhand smoke ought to find another job, well, such folks probably haven’t been looking for work lately in Michigan’s current economy.

Both great points.  I know how hard it is to find a job right now.  I’ve been told by more than one potential employer that they would like to hire me, but don’t have the money to do so.  I’m lucky I’ve got a side job that pays better than my full time job used to.

The Traverse City Record-Eagle points out, this whole debate lies in the hands of Detroit.

Detroit and Detroit-area Democrats are not about to support a ban that doesn’t take care of the casinos, bingo halls and others; without their support a ban goes nowhere. For solid strategic reasons Senate Republicans aren’t going to exempt anybody.

That means a stalemate as well as a great talking point for the Republicans. If you want to ban smoking from bars, restaurants and all other businesses to protect workers from second-hand smoke — the major anti-smoking argument — then you ban it for all workers, including those unlucky enough to work in a Detroit casino.

I know I keep mentioning this, but I have plenty of experience with this exact same scenario in my old homestate.  I always wanted to run for Governor just to start a succession from the City of Chicago.  It sucks that one corner of the state has all the power to set the agenda for the rest of the state.  This whole thing is being held up by one part of the state. 

I’ll keep following the debate, but it’s looking less and less likely that we’re going to see something quickly.  The Senate passed it back to the House so the House looks like the bad guys.  It must be an election year or something…..





Thursday Smoking Ban Thread

15 05 2008

The House is schedule to convene at noon.  I’m not sure how much of it I’m going to be able to watch.  I need to head to Champaign, IL today for some weekend work at the University of Illinois.  I’ll be adding reviews of the restaurnts in Champaign and on the way there if I stop for some reason.  I do a lot of work in Big Ten towns, so I’m thinking I’ll do some travel reviews for those of you who follow MSU.  While I’m gone, remember to check my Lansing area food reveiws.   I’ll just keep this thread going today to update on HB 4163 if it gets called. 

UPDATE – 11:08 PM – Sorry that I didn’t get a chance to update earlier. I’m now in the Land of Lincoln where I’ve been doing some catching up with friends and family before heading to Champaign.  I’m looking at the HB 4163 on the Legislature’s website and it looks like the bill was NOT called today.  Funny cause while I was watching the live feed, they mentioned a few Detroit TV stations were there…bet they were disappointed.  The House doesn’t meet again until next Tuesday so there will be no movement until at least then.





Smoking Ban Opponents Using Non-Relevant Study

14 05 2008

I just recieved an e-mail on behalf of the Michigan Licensed Beverage Association claiming to be “the other side of the story.”  In the e-mail, they link to a study done by Michael Pakko who is a research officer with the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.  The study, which was conducted in Columbia, MO, reached the conclusion that the ban hurts businesses.

Here’s the problem with the study.  Missouri doesn’t have a statewide smoking ban.  Columbia banned smoking on their own so you can literally drive a mile and be outside of city limits and be able to smoke.   I have no doubt that a smoking ban in one community hurts business, but you can’t compare that situation to banning smoking in an entire state.

I have sent an e-mail to Mr. Pakko asking if he’s done research on how statewide bans effect business…St. Louis is right on the Illinois border (which has a smoking ban).  Research like that would have more effect on Michigan than one done in a a single community.

Here’s a link to Mr. Pakko’s research.  This is a sad attempt at throwing sh*t against the wall to see if it sticks.

UPDATE 5:48 PM – I recieved an e-mail response from Mr. Pakko.  In it, he said he personally has not conducted a study on a statewide ban, but referred me to another study done by Scott Adams and Chad Cotti.  You can find that study HERE.

Mr. Pakko feels that the four months the ban has been in effect in Illinois is not sufficient enough time to actually study the effects.  He does mention that casino’s in the state have suffered large losses.  I would counter that by saying most of the casinos are on the Mississippi River (East St. Louis, Quincy, Quad Cities to name a few).  They all bordered states that up until recently did not ban smoking (Iowa just banned it).  The Joliet casinos are close enough to Indiana to which doesn’t have a smoking ban.  The Peoria casino is the only one off hand that I can think of that wouldn’t be effected by competition in a non-smoking state. 

Mr. Pakko also makes the argument that his study proves there is a demand for smoking venues. 

“While it is true that residents of Columbia have the option of leaving the city limits, the observation that they might be doing so is evidence that a market demand does exist for bars and restaurants that allow smoking.  Given that such demand exists, any prohibition (statewide or local) is likely to have an impact on business patterns. “

I have no hard proof of what I’m going to say next….just life experience.  To most people, smoking is the lesser of two vices.  It’s the alcohol that people go to the bars for.  The smoking is an added bonus.  If you can’t conviently go to a place that allows smoking, you’ll make the sacrafice and go outside.  I just don’t see banning smoking killing a well run business.

He also mentions non-compliance in Illinois.  I can’t argue that point as, again, I do know that from experience.  The problem is not in the ban itself or even local enforcement.  Illinois government is more disfunctional than you could ever imagine.  The legislature passed the bill.  The governor signed the bill.  The bill then goes to JCAR (Joint Committee on Administrative Rules) to write the specifics of the bill (ie. how it’s enforced, who enforces, etc).  The bill has been stuck there since January.  Now the legislators on JCAR are using it for political leverage.  Until there are rules, State’s Attorney’s can’t prosecute the case because they don’t know if they should prosecute as a ordinance violation or a misdeamonr or what.  Many police chiefs around the state have said, in public, that they will not write a smoking violation ticket unless bars are flagrantly taunting them to do so.  When you call the PD in Peoria, they refer you to the state’s 1-800 number set up to deal with smoking violations.  When you call, you get an answering machine so don’t expect a prompt response.

I appreciate Mr. Pakko promptly replying to my e-mails, but it still hasn’t changed my opinion.  I’ve lived in a state that has banned smoking and while economic impact may be unclear, I can tell you with 100% accuracy that it has improved the dining and nightlife experience.





Liveblogging – HB 4163 5/14

14 05 2008

HB 4163 wasn’t on the schedule for today, but I’ve got the webcast of today’s session on.  I’m about a half hour late because I went to lunch with my girlfriend (so that means there’s a review coming later today).  If there are any updates, I’ll update this post.

2:17 PM – Both parties are in caucus meetings now.  They’ve passed a few bills this morning, but not the one we’re waiting on.

3:07 PM  – The House has been called back to order and they’re starting business again.

3:11 PM – The House is At Ease again.

3:18 PM – Back to order

3:29 PM  – Stupid me…how about checking the bill status.  I just checked on the status HERE.  The bill has been returned from the Senate but under House rules, the bill will be layed over for one day which means they won’t vote on it until at least tomorrow.  No need to continue live blogging 😉

3:35 PM – The House has adjourned for the day.  They will reconvene at noon tomorrow and that will be the first chance they have to pass the smoking ban.





Smoke Free Rally at the Capitol

13 05 2008

Today (Tuesday) was a huge day for hits on this site.  Almost all of them came for info on the smoking ban.  I ain’t stupid…if that’s what your coming for, then that’s what I’ll give, but while you’re here, be sure to check out the reviews and be sure to give me your opinions on places and suggestions on where to eat next….oh yeah, and don’t forget to bookmark the page 😉

Now,  back to the business at hand.  While I was sitting at home waiting for our new kitchen table to be delivered, the American Cancer Socity held a rally at the Capitol.

Meanwhile the American Cancer Society spent the day on the Capitol lawn reminding lawmakers that they can make a difference in the fight.
Smoking,  lung cancer, and heart dissease are just a few of the battles in that war.

“Many states have successfully passed this legislation and it hasn’t hurt business and I’m encouraged we’ll move forward as well” said Rep. Rick Shaffer (R-Three Rivers).

Miss Shoreline 2008 Stephanie Marion added, “I actually think it will bring more business into resteraunts and bars because it will bring those people that don’t like the smoking environment into those facilities and it will raise profits.”

WILX has a report on their website about the ban as well.  They shed some light on why the ban wasn’t voted on today as expected.

“We will have and opportunity to concur our not concur with what the Senate has done as soon as they send it to us and we receive the bill from the secretary, we can do that,” said Andrew Meisner (D) Hazel Park.

So that’s why ther was no vote today.  Again, the bill is not listed on tomorrow’s calendar, so it must not have been transmited to the house as of the end of the day today.  I’ll try to watch the House session again tomorrow and live blog it just in case 🙂





Liveblogging – HB 4163

13 05 2008

MGTV is airing the first half hour of today’s House of Representatives session live.  I’m going to try and live blog the proceedings if they bring up HB 4163.  There is also a feed on the House of Representatives Website, so if it goes past 2:00, I’ll try to watch the webcast as well.

 1:30 PM – The video feed is up, but the chambers still look pretty empty.  The session was gaveled to order. 

1:34 PM – Now members are starting to slowly file in for roll call.

1:51 PM – Still waiting on a quorom.  Rules were just suspended for Rep. Rick Shaffer to introduce representatives from American Cancer Society who are in the chamber.  Pretty much the entire gallery is filled with ACS folks

 1:58 PM – Both parties have called members to caucus, so we may be waiting awhile.

2:40 PM – It looks like the Republicans are filing back into the chamber. 

3:30 PM – Still waiting on the Democrats.  All that’s happened in the last hour is a few recognitions of school groups in attendance.

3:31 PM – Speak of the devil.  It looks like the Dems are filing back in.

3:40 PM – The House has been called back to order.  They’re starting with some resolutions.  I keep losing my connection to House TV….but I’ll do my best to keep updating on the days proceedings concerning HB 4163

4:21 PM – I think they ajourned for the day without calling the bill.  The message on the voting board says “At Ease Call of the Chair” 

4:56 – The House looks like it’s reconvening, but they’re introducing bills for first reading.  I don’t know a whole lot about the process here, but I have a feeling HB 4163 won’t be called today.  I’ll keep an ear open so keep checking back just in case I’m wrong.

4:58 – It’s official.  The House is now adjourned.  They will reconviene tomorrow at 1:30.  I’ll try this again then.





Michigan Restaurant Association Responds to HB 4163

9 05 2008

To try and stay fair on this issue, I contacted the Michigan Restaurant Association for their opinion on yesterday’s passage of HB 4163.  Vice President of Public Affairs Andy Delony gave me this statement.

The MRA continues to oppose legislation which would take away the ability for restaurant and tavern operators to decide for themselves the kinds of dining environments they may offer to their guests.  We were surprised and disappointed with the activity of the state Senate on Thursday.